Momus thinks he knows history
Along with the myriads of on-line racist commentators, Momus is not particularly remarkable. Here's his little tirade.The Pakistanis in Britain are a huge problem. I knew this straight away when I came to England 15 years ago. They were the same Pakistanis that essentially I wanted to get away from while I was living in Pakistan, and the same kind of Mirpuris and Punjabis that are an absolute nuisance in Pakistan as well. The uncouth and uncultured. They bring nothing of value to any nation.
This all started with the brilliance of Harold Wilson, then Labour PM, in the 1960s when he thought it would be a good idea to bring in all these Mirpuris into the industrial towns of England as workers, as 500 or so of their villages in Pakistan were flooded. Suicidal empathy and malthusian altruism has been a consistent problem with the liberals and socialists. Why take on the problem and worries of other countries as your own? Especially the countries who have an inherent deep rooted hatred for you. Not only that, these people were those who would be unable to assimilate into Pakistani cities as well. They are those sort of people.
The first batch were not that troublesome because they were less in numbers. But they created parallel communities and they kept bringing in their extended families and their cousins to marry - and kept extending their tribe. And now we see the problems that have come from it. This is not a unique phenomenon. This would happen anywhere with any ethnic group who have low regard for host group and high regard for their own. This is why you either don't allow who groups of families like this to come over, or you don't allow them at all to come over. Now we are at a point where talking about the illegals is not enough. We have to talk about the legals, multi generational, who have just not assimilated or wanted to do so, and are now challenging the core of this country.
You can bring the other asians into it as well. I am sorry but the unassimilated Indians and Bengalis are the same. The muslim bengalis usually are more problematic though as they side with the Pakistani muslims. Yes, the main aggressors in this country are Pakistanis, and because of the networks of solicitors, local councillors, imams, and drug criminals they have created they provide a platform to all other Islamists from other countries to thrive here. But that is the core that needs to be tackled. Otherwise, although we might not want to say it, we know where this will end.
At times the call from certain parts of the groups on the political right these days might seem unpalatable, but the call of "all of them must go" is there because of a reason and it is not racism or fascism as most would like to label it. It is there because of the actions of these certain ethnic and religious groups in Britain who are constantly working to undermine and subvert the host nation. Whether it be it through marxism, islamism, or by being economic scroungers and opportunists, or just criminally minded negative value thugs. The native populace have had enough and I am surprised that it has taken them this long - and there is still a long way to go before their growing sentiments become government policies to some degree. Especially when a desired government takes hold.
The onus of the inevitable civil unrest falls on the shoulders of these immigrants who have not assimilated and have hostile intentions regardless of what generation, the liberal elite who have enabled this to happen along with a corrupt judiciary, the police force which has sided with the liberal elites rather than the public, the media which sides with the liberal elites as well and spread their propaganda, and the native people who still remain silent or knee deep in their Anglophobic mania, and also the monarch if he remains silent and does nothing. The blame cannot be on the people who have been patient all this time but now they have had enough and are reacting as one should against an enemy within.
Here's how Momus has failed.
1. Sweeping Generalisations About Ethnic Groups
“The Pakistanis in Britain are a huge problem … the same kind of Mirpuris and Punjabis that are an absolute nuisance … They bring nothing of value to any nation.”
This statement reduces millions of people into a monolithic group defined only by negative traits. It conflates individuals with an entire ethnicity and region, which is a textbook example of racism. It denies diversity, dignity, and the real contributions of British Pakistanis to society.
British Pakistanis have contributed significantly in areas like healthcare (e.g., a large share of NHS doctors and nurses), business, sport, and culture. Many families are now multi-generational Britons with deep attachment to the UK. Like any community, there are social challenges, but it is false and harmful to claim they “bring nothing of value.”
2. Historical Distortion
“Harold Wilson … thought it would be a good idea to bring in all these Mirpuris … Suicidal empathy and Malthusian altruism …”*
This frames migration decisions of the 1960s as a reckless mistake, ignoring Britain’s own historical context. Many migrants from South Asia were invited to fill critical labour shortages in post-war industries. The claim that they were inherently “unable to assimilate” is both racist and ahistorical.
Migration policies were driven by labour needs, and migrants often worked in tough, low-paid jobs that others refused, helping rebuild Britain. Problems of integration were not solely the fault of immigrants but also linked to racism, housing segregation, and lack of equal opportunity.
3. “Parallel Communities” and Inherited Guilt
“They created parallel communities … kept bringing in their extended families … multi-generational … who have just not assimilated or wanted to do so … challenging the core of this country.”
This suggests that entire communities are inherently unwilling to integrate, across generations. It imposes collective blame on descendants who may be fully British by birth and identity. It ignores the reality that “parallel communities” often arise when minority groups face systemic exclusion and discrimination.
Sociological research shows that integration is a two-way process. Many British Pakistanis integrate fully into education, professions, and politics — yet also retain cultural ties, which is not a sign of disloyalty. Multiculturalism enriches Britain rather than undermines it.
4. Linking Ethnicity to Criminality and Extremism
“The main aggressors in this country are Pakistanis … they provide a platform to all other Islamists … drug criminals … opportunists … negative value thugs.”
This is an ethnic scapegoating strategy — attributing crime and extremism to a single ethnic or religious group, while ignoring that crime exists across all groups. It’s also dangerous rhetoric: it can justify collective punishment and fuels hostility.
Extremism and crime exist in all communities. Targeted policing, social support, and rule of law are the remedies — not blaming whole ethnicities. In fact, many British Muslims work against extremism within their own communities. Collective vilification undermines these efforts.
5. Justifying Expulsion
“The call of ‘all of them must go’ is not racism or fascism …”
This is openly advocating ethnic cleansing under the guise of “self-defense.” Denying it is racist or fascist does not change the fact that it calls for the removal of entire groups based on identity. This is literally the textbook definition of both racism and fascism as we know it from last century.
Citizenship in Britain is not conditional on ethnicity. Forcibly expelling multi-generational citizens would be both immoral and illegal, and would itself constitute fascism. The UK has long thrived as a multi-ethnic democracy; stability comes from inclusion, not expulsion.
6. Misplaced Blame for “Civil Unrest”
“The onus … falls on the shoulders of these immigrants … they are the enemy within.”
These shifts blame for tensions entirely onto minorities, ignoring structural causes: inequality, racism, economic decline in industrial towns, and divisive politics. Calling fellow citizens “the enemy within” mirrors classic fascist rhetoric.
Civil unrest arises when inequality festers and communities feel unheard. Blaming immigrants obscures real systemic problems such as poor housing, declining public services, and political opportunism. Solutions must be built on social cohesion, not scapegoating.
Here’s an evidence-based overview of the actual facts regarding criminality and British Pakistanis (i.e., people of Pakistani heritage living in Britain), based on the most reliable and recent data available:
Overview: Ethnicity and Crime in the UK
Stop-and-search rate (per 1,000 people):
* Pakistani: 10.3
* All ethnic groups average: 8.9
* White: 5.9
Arrest rate (per 1,000 people):
* Pakistani: 11.3
* All ethnic groups average: 11.2
* White: 9.4
These figures show British Pakistanis experiencing higher rates of stop-and-search than white Britons. However, they align closely with the overall ethnic minority average. This is a strong indicator of ethnic profiling.
2. Prison Representation
Population share vs. prison share (2024 data):
* Asian or Asian British (which includes Pakistanis): 9.3% of population
* Yet they account for 8.0% of the prison population
This indicates that British Pakistanis are not over-represented in prison compared to their share of the population.
3. Offending vs. Victimhood
Historical studies, such as “Asians and Crime: The Bradford Experience” (1980s), found that British Asians (including Pakistanis) had low levels of offending and were even more likely to be victims of crime instead of perpetrators. ([Cambridge University Press & Assessment][1])
4. Child Sexual Exploitation & “Grooming Gangs”
This is a complex and sensitive topic:
Early reports (e.g., the 2017 Quilliam study) suggested a high proportion of grooming gang offenders were of South Asian heritage (up to 84%).
However, a subsequent 2020 Home Office report concluded that majority of modern group-based child sexual exploitation offenders are white, aligning with general demographics.
A 2025 review by Baroness Casey focused on three police regions (Greater Manchester, South Yorkshire, West Yorkshire) and found that nearly two-thirds of suspects in a particular operation (Operation Stovewood) were of Pakistani background. It also criticized the police and agencies for avoiding recording ethnicity, which undermines full understanding.
Recent data (2025) from the Financial Times reveals that 83% of group-based offline sexual offences were perpetrated by white individuals, and only about 7% of grooming suspects were of Pakistani heritage - while British Pakistanis make up around 2.7% of the population.
These findings suggest that while certain high-profile local cases involved British-Pakistani offenders, nationally the problem is not skewed dramatically by ethnicity - though data collection gaps remain a serious issue. The absence of data cannot contribute to an argument.
5. Data Gaps and Institutional Biases
Many police forces increasingly fail to record the ethnicity of offenders - for some crimes, unknown ethnicity cases have increased five-fold, severely impeding the ability to assess patterns accurately. [2],[3]
Baroness Casey’s 2025 report echoed this concern: in two-thirds of examined cases, the ethnicity of suspects was not recorded, making any nationwide conclusions speculative. However, ethnic identification is also complicated by issues such as self-identification by inter-ethnic children.
Summary Table
Stop-and-search rate: Higher (10.3 vs 5.9 per 1,000)
Arrest rate: Slightly higher (11.3 vs 9.4 per 1,000)
Prison population (%): Slight under-representation (8.0% vs 9.3%)
Historical offending rates: Lower than average; more likely to be victims
Grooming gang involvement: High-profile local cases but nationally not predominant; data limited
Data completeness: Concerns over ethnicity not being recorded consistently
Footnotes:
[1]: https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/young-muslim-and-criminal/young-british-pakistani-muslim-men-and-concern-with-increased-levels-of-criminality/5B2DB0C750F997C636E97FC99EA30FCB?
[2]: https://www.ft.com/content/c379bdb3-25fa-4554-b045-51ef3e53abae 'Anybody can be a victim': what do UK grooming gangs look like today?"
[3]: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-forces-failing-to-record-criminals-ethnic-backgrounds-6ksqh9gcp?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Police forces failing to record criminals' ethnic backgrounds"